Pitiful Criticism of Schicker in New Times

Making the argument that people will be displaced, and doing something about it, are two different things.

Aaron, you might read the page 12 article in the New Times this week – an informative article by Colin Rigley – addressing one thing found in our bay – gobi fish with tumors.

Not addressing the filth contained in the 300,000 gallons of water that seeps into the bay DAILY, is really no longer an option. Too bad Ms. Schicker, a self-professed environmentalist and biologist, decided to condemn the bay to many more years of pollution and us with higher costs by stopping Tri-W.

Actually Lynette, both Kitts study, and MBNEP Director at a recent CSD Meeting, show Los Osos Bacterial and surface contaminants including nitrates contributions to the Bay to be minimal (Storm water runoff, that must have some access to leach field/pits)

I say this because as a clinical and research Microbiologist I made observations formed a hypothesis and then confirmed it with additional observations and independent verification. Dr. Kitts answered my question by noting that the decrease in bacterial contamination in the Bay after Finalization for sewer would be less than 1/10 of a percent (%) Comparing (the sewered) Moro Bay to Los Osos surface tests data does not predict a significant improvement (true for any sewer here, depending on leaks) These statements are scientifically verified using Waterboard sponsored studies.

Note that I am not saying Zero or that nothing should be done, I’m saying perspective. Moro Bay fails in some areas of specific pollutants and the two towns are close on some others. From what our precious and sensitive Bay sees of us, We- Los Osos, are not the enemy. The LO area is figured as the 11th entity contributing to pollution in the Bay, and efforts elsewhere may make more sense. (Men’s Colony, MB, Creeks)

There is a lot of misunderstanding that these are the same as claims that Septics contribute zero to groundwater nitrates. (Not so) The presence of background nitrates also complicates things. Nitrates have been exaggerated but they remain a real problem. One on which the waterboard retains jurisdiction. The waterboard does apply zero tolerance to their “places of interest”.

I think if you made a point that further delays are damaging the Aquifer you would find me able to support that.
Scientifically.

You bring up some good talking points Alon. Were you referring to studies that there was not going to be much change in bacteria levels or bacteria and nitrate levels once the WWTF was in? Can you point me to some data that has been posted online?

The emerging contaminants are not all identified and some that are, as pointed out in the article, are not toxic to humans so are not listed to be monitored. Not everything in that water is being looked at. I suspect our “gobi” issues are just the tip of a big, world-wide iceberg (which is rapidly melting).

Efforts elsewhere are being made – a new WWTF was put in for the men’s colony approximately 2 years ago and Morro Bay is going tertiary. Not sure what is being done for creeks.

All we can really deal with is our own waste – but we did vote on the 218 to pay for what the County eventually came up with to do that. I think your “efforts elsewhere” sentence will be construed as our really not needing a sewer as other places are worse. We can be concerned with other areas as soon as we have cleaned up our own mess, and the Water Board after all deals with Morro Bay and the men’s colony and creeks. MB and the “colony” are ahead of us in that they have sewers.

The EPA is cracking down on communities on the east coast as well – they are so polluted their goal is mandated to be zero nitrates. Putting that into perspective, we are lucky to get away with 7mgl.

Right now 300,000 gallons a day is lost. A collection system will capture that and recycle it – “where” – will be decided at the Coastal Commission. That is a large issue that the WWTF WILL deal with. I appreciate that you support that as many others don’t seem to care.

It is interesting to me that Aaron chose (once again) to focus on the negative. There was another letter by Sylvia Howell Kneller that has such a peaceful narrative of two community members that have seen a lot of trouble, finally finding solace and resolution. I wonder why Aaron chose to ignore that positive, solution-directed letter, and instead focused on defending Lisa’s indefensible argument and dissing the legitimate beefs with Lisa’s tired-out and unfounded suspicions?

But I’ll bite. To comment on Lisa’s “Commentary,” I will ask: Lisa, which lawyers disagree with Warren Jensen? You don’t seem to mention any names but imply that it might be the bankruptcy lawyers. The bankruptcy has not frozen any legal opinions on any investigation of MWH – all that is being held up there is whether or not MWH will get paid!

Lisa attempts to discredit the normal process of selecting engineering teams. County employees and consultants select builders for every project! (Who SHOULD do the selection Lisa? People who don’t know what is required for the LOWWTF?) Then she throws out Gail Wilcox’s name to discredit Paavo for selecting her to the Appeals Panel. Sorry – she was innocent and unfired at that time! But her favorite team – who failed to be selected — did an unusual thing – they failed to make an appeal! So, SO WHAT if Paavo and Gail were on the appeals panel! That made absolutely NO DIFFERENCE! (If Lisa’s favorite team were so sure that they could save up 20% – you think that they might have pressed that point a little harder. But Ms. Schicker will have an excuse for that I am sure.)

Basically, Lisa is trying to discredit the entire process. And she tries to discredit MWH. No “legal issues remain unresolved” with MWH except payment for work done that Lisa and crew stiffed them on! Voters “rejected” the MWH project that Lisa describes as “failed” – well it “failed” because voters were told there was a project from Lisa and cohorts that would cost $100/mo. But as we leaned in December of 2005 at the Water Board hearings – she HAD no project at all! Lisa claims that that MWH made the shortlist as “the leading candidate for the County’s project.” Who says leading? Paavo? Or did you just make that part up Lisa?

The only “denial” in Lisa’s commentary is her own – of the damage she has caused our community and the damage she is attempting to do here by alleging illegalities that simply DO NOT exist.

Just some clarifications.

The focus of the article was on the critics of Lisa Schicker’s viewpoint, not on Sylvia Howell Kneller’s letter. Kneller was not critical of Schicker’s views. Rather, she felt that the confidence and strength of people’s visions would help guide her to creating solutions. Incidentally, the person — on here — who is touting this letter as something to consider more than the “negative” is the same person who has called both of the people mentioned (Bruce Payne, Bill Moylan) “obstructionists” and “anti-sewer” among other things. It’s a tad hypocritical.

There’s no reason documented on record by W. M. Lyles that explains why they didn’t appeal, but we do know this. On April 7, 2009, the County removed STEP/STEG from the design-build process, which basically eliminated W. M. Lyles from the RFQ by default. Dana Ripley, who has served as an outside consultant for the Lyles team, filed a rebuttal report for the San Luis Obispo Planning Commission on May 28, 2009, which County staff failed to address in detail. My educated guess is that Lyles didn’t file an appeal because they didn’t see the point if STEP/STEG was completely and irreversibly ruled out of the County project approach.

Just for some fact-checking. The $100/month Measure B claim was not created by Mrs. Schicker. It was created solely by a few supporters of the 2005 Recall. As far as her claim that MWH made the shortlist as “the leading candidate for the County’s project,” she’s referring to the fact that MWH made it to the top three of the RFQ for collection and treatment. Also, at the BOS meeting on May 5, 2009, Mr. Ogren proceeded to list the achievements of MWH and concluded his statements by saying that, in his opinion, MWH “appears to be the most qualified.”

History: Schicker did support M-B and Senet and Cesena both had their names on the measure as as supporters.

True Lisa did not have a project by the time the W.B. hearings began.

In fact it was more than 3 months after the election before the LOCSD started the project update process. IMHO the Project Update process should have began at that first official meeting. But nooooo! According to Bleskey, the so called interim G.M., we have to litigate first. What a mor…. now, now Dave, be nice.

Dave, thanks for the clarification.

Aaron, I also focus on positive things – like the project to plant the medians by Ralphs and the excellent work done by the County on the WWTF.

Maybe instead of your version, Lyles didn’t appeal as they got the picture that the MAJORITY of Los Osians DIDN’T want STEP/STEG?

Dave, maybe it is not Bleskey’s fault? Doesn’t a GM – well, here an IGM, operate at the Board’s direction? He may have been an idiot, but the Lisa board was in the driver’s seat and they hired him in the first place, then never gave him a performance review.

Lisa states that MWH made the shortlist as THE “leading candidate,” not A “leading candidate.” You don’t need to further spin Lisa’s spin, Aaron, re-read paragraph 9.

Dave,

There’s a difference between supporting Measure B and claiming that there will be a $100/month project if Measure B passed. Years ago, I spoke to Schicker and did not support the claim that their project would cost $100/month.

Dave also brings up a good point regarding Bleskey. Not only did the LOCSD receive bad counsel from Bleskey, the board did not proceed with a 218 assessment as it was required by the state.

Also, Lynette, reread my last sentence of the third paragraph of my previous post. I suggest you watch the May BOS meeting with the project update and fast-forward the video to where Mr. Ogren describes MWH’s accomplishments. This isn’t spin.

Lynette, You state that Lisa is “attempting to discredit the NORMAL process of selecting engineering teams”, since when do YOU consider sole sourcing of contracts to be “NORMAL”? Only in the very corrupt County of San Luis Obispo does something like that happen & the the thieves, liars & crooks are STILL able to retain their positions with the County. Wake up!
Liza Klump

Nice attempt “staying on topic” Lisa Knish. We are spinning back to the May meeting where Mr. Ogren describes MWH Accomplishments in reaction to Lisa Shickers Complaints against him and them.
Excelent comments from Dave. Dave knows that the General Manager follows the will of the Board, and if He/ She doe not, the board remains accountable. At the same time a Board dealing in an Un-precedented situation, cannot switch managers mid stream too easily. Somewhere around the “First 100 days” I had a conversation with Gail as to “What happens next” Gail said, “They were elected, they are on their own” (making decisions).

Here’s a nugget of prognostication, and since I have to work over Halloween
Originally on Ann’s Site-The great suliman sees the future-Envelope please- Note hat we have been recycling #9 since May.
“What follows is pure speculation; I’m not a lawyer but I did dress up as one Halloween long ago.
County council Jensen in exercising due diligence will do as follows. Re the complaint and documentation.
1. Direct a staffer to Compile all documents rearrange them create an index and cross-reference it.
2. Split the addendum and all documents that are submitted as a stack and as attachments.and reorganize
3. Examine each document and obtain all missing relevant documents referenced for Discovery
4. Wait till research is concluded. Note; This is the main reason for a delay (other than David-Gail-Gate, and this little thing called a County budget)
5. Compare the referenced submitted documents and statements to the statements in the un-submitted documents (Richard L.’s list above)
6. County council may then use judgment as to citing documents not submitted, in his response.
7. Since documents not submitted need to be reviewed but do not necessarily be referenced or responded to by council (council is not responsible to add to claimant’s discovery, unless it is in the interest of the county to do so)
8. After a brief and concise definition of what “is” is, (thanks Ann) words will appear which will include or not include: “without merit”, “further review”, “cannot be determined at this time”, “unsubstantiated”, “at this late date”, “further action”, “submitted to authorities”.
9. Papers will be thrown on porches, Emails will fly, Bloggz will Buzz, tongues will wag, feelings will be hurt.
10. Unknown
11. Los Osos gets a sewer
12:42 PM, June 24, 2009

12. A lot of (some) people will be disappointed.
(Jeffery Young, Esq., to Sam Blakesley, Assemblyman on the AB2701 “compromise”.”

Alon, Don’t be such a yungatch! Regarding your Oct. 30, 8:06 PM post, I loved your quote from McPherson, “they were elected, they’re on their own”! Ha! We both KNOW that’s hardly the case. Gail was there every step of the way distracting & giving BAD ADVICE. The main problem with that particular LOCSD Board, was in fact, Gail McPherson.

I agree Lisa K. I think that was the intention back then. I think that Director Fouche (Ret.) could have supplied some of the Balance necessary moving forward. I hope to convince you that, though well intentioned, Lisa’s continued reliance on Gail’s Strategies (Regulatory, Legal) and Al’s “Science” (a good portion of fairly solid, stuff mixed within there, And his legal acumen is often severly underrated by people who dismiss him as “Crazy” (but there is that)) has doomed the “Move the Sewer” movement to a reactive, “Cult of personality”, Pseudo science mixed with valid scientific arguments, politically manipulative and manipulable path.
Gail had some solid argments as to the Waterboards actions. Had she stayed the course as a “regulatory reformer” some of her efforts could had been “good for California’, let alone ‘good for Los Osos’.
I have watched Lisa Closely for four years (closest but for a handfull of people), and through mostly public comments have been what would had been a “Constructive” critic of the actions of “her” CSD. At no time did I see a production of communications to the regulatory authorities, that I would consider “Responsible” or “Affective”, and this has not improved post CSD directorship.

Yiddish is not my mothers tongue, so I can’t communicate on that basis- Yontz?
“May the schwantz be with you”

Alon said it best. The “Move the Sewer” movement has become a “reactive ‘Cult of personality,’ pseudo science mixed with valid scientific arguments, politically manipulative and manipulable path.” Over the years, we’ve seen a movement that spiraled down from a simple cause — that many people united for — to petty politics and poorly conceived presentations that came out of desperation and angst. That’s when the pseudo science came in; that washed out the real science and information that was more relevant to the situation.

Alon, I said “don’t be a brat!” (yungatch) I absolutely agree with you when you mentioned Gail would have been more useful if she had stayed the course with her arguments with the water board. unfortunately, when she started spinning, distorting & distracting she caused more damage than it was worth. Further, her attempts of being a psuedo attorney was another error in judgement, as was her being the “SELF APPOINTED SPOKESPERSON” for the LOCSD. Pathetic.

Bleskey was hired because of his so called “public contract expertise” and he acted as an adviser in that same capacity. In my conversations with Bleskey his efforts were concentrated on finding loop holes in the contracts. IMHO he saw himself as a hero come to save the day. He and I were so much at odds with each other that his last word’s to me were, “If you want to talk to me talk to my lawyer first.” I called him on his B.S. both in private and in public to the point that he was always embarrassed and some what consternated.

“Consternated”? He was pained, I can think of another word that rhymes with that.
I agree, I think of it as a case of someone who was “playing to his strengths”, and unfortunately his strengths, were not what was needed at that critical juncture.
He also was a smoker and held “office hours” in the parking lot.
When Mr. Schempf was hired I caught up with him one day and described his predecessors practices. I also said something to the effect of ” “There are some members of the public who have a lot of knowledge and could bring you up to date, take advantage of that, but notice how much time you spend. If after a couple of months you find yourself spending more than ten minutes a week with one SPECIFIC member of public, that is too much” and ” You won’t hear much from me, outside of the meetings, because I respect the CSD’s Staff time”
That member of public was not you, Dave.

What color is your money?

Gee, there was a strange comment on the Trib article posted on October 19 – the commenter posted on the 24th, (on fixing the median in front of Ralphs). Here is the quote:

“PUNIFEROUS wrote on 10/24/2009 01:47:34 PM:
It should make every resident of Los Osos angry to read the sugar-coated nonsense above since it was written by the leader of the local organization responsible for all of the misery and fraud, Pandora Nash-Karner.

Her two-dimensional, feel good “Celebrate Los Osos” PR stunt should really be called, “Hug A Turd,” since it is primarily due to her efforts that the community has suffered for ten years and now faces extinction.

All is not lost. Shortly there will be a web site that will fully expose the fraud in detail, identify those responsible, lead the charge to unite the community and bring those responsible to the bar of justice.

A group of committed friends and neighbors have been working for many months collecting the evidence that will soon be available to all. They have created a vehicle to guarantee a safe, healthy and affordable future for all Los Osos. This is how we “Celebrate Los Osos!”

The Sentinel

Putting a few facts together – Aaron commenting on how he builds websites, the angry tenor of these words and his recent slamming of Celebrate Los Osos – I’m wondering if that explains the silence by Aaron these days and no new postings on The Razor? Will this be a link? Is this a new incarnation of THE ROCK or perhaps Ochs Nation? Is he collaborating with the creepy Pandora-stalker ron?

I’m working on some new content, researching out the material and taking notes — so enjoy the calm before the storm. The Sentinel, whoever that may be, appears to be getting something off the ground. More power to them.

That’s one view of “Celebrate Los Osos.” I have mine, but I have yet to see a direct response to my article from the founders, the movers and shakers of “Celebrate Los Osos.” Pandora talked about the spirit of volunteerism, but that’s a red herring. The response seemed to be a little wishy-washy for my taste and it sounded just like I thought the organization was: a PR stunt.

Aaron says:

“The Sentinel, whoever that may be, appears to be getting something off the ground.”

Huh? One little blip posted on the comment section of Trib article that no one has looked at in weeks is “getting something off the ground?” Laughable! Unless of course YOU or relatives ARE The Sentinel.

Nope.

When I googled “the sentinel”, I did find a website ‘under construction’. This should be pretty funny ! Guy sounds like a total goofball.

No, It’s the Original Architect of ” We have a concen about bid rigging, that we would like the county to look at”
Doesn’t anybody get reverse PR?
Not seeing the unmistakable signature?
In all the Pompatus of the VainGlorious Bonfire of the Vanities that is Los Osos only one person writes like that.

I found this one:

lososossentinel.com/

Los Osos Sentinel

This site is down for maintenance. Please check back again soon.

Checking whois.net to see who owns the domain name – there is this:

WHOIS information for lososossentinel.com :
Domain ID:
Domain Name: lososossentinel.com
Created On: 03-May-2009 00:00:00
Expiration Date: 03-May-2010 00:00:00
Sponsoring Registrar: ‘Check Whois’ (FASTDOMAIN, INC.) (FASTDOMAIN, INC.)
Status: client_transfer_prohibited
Name Server: ns1.bluehost.com
Name Server: ns2.bluehost.com
Registrant ID: Unknown
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Registrant Organization: Unknown

Interesting – Aaron did Karen V’s website in Joomla…

I am curious if the new Sentinel (when operational) will be unveiled here or on Ann’s site or we will have to look back to an obscure Tribune article to find the “We’re up and running now” announcement somewhere in the comments.

Wow! Wednesday was a busy day on the old blog. I was surprised to see that there was no comments made concerning the chastisement by way of an apology of that certain group of Los Ososians by Bruce Gibson at the last SLO Supervisor’s meeting. Instead of practicing due diligence and acting on individuals violating decorum rules he instead grouped all the Los Ososians present as violators. I believe the rules apply to individuals. Is Maria Kelly, Lynette Tornatzky, and Don Beardon. It sure wasn’t me as I was behaving myself and was sitting in the front row. I’m sure Chair Gibson would have jumped at the chance to go after me as an individual. I wonder if Gibson generalizes other groups in the same way (e.g. African Americans, Jews, Mexicans). I have more to say about that day but I have to go to work. See ya later.

This is a re-post of the previous post with missing parts of a sentence. included. Is there a way to change your post after it’s been sent?

Wow! Wednesday was a busy day on the old blog. I was surprised to see that there was no comments made concerning the chastisement by way of an apology of that certain group of Los Ososians by Bruce Gibson at the last SLO Supervisor’s meeting. Instead of practicing due diligence and acting on individuals violating decorum rules he instead grouped all the Los Ososians present as violators. I believe the rules apply to individuals. Is Maria Kelly, Lynette Tornatzky, and Don Beardon PART OF THAT GROUP. It sure wasn’t me as I was behaving myself and was sitting in the front row. I’m sure Chair Gibson would have jumped at the chance to go after me as an individual. I wonder if Gibson generalizes other groups in the same way (e.g. African Americans, Jews, Mexicans). I have more to say about that day but I have to go to work. See ya later.

Aaron, you need to change the clock setting for time posted. Fall back!

Oh my. I just googled ‘los osos sentinel’ and found a screed about ‘terrorism’ in Los Osos (referring to the sewer) that sounds like pure Ed Ochs. So very sad. To paraphrase: The mind is a terrible thing to lose.

Sam,

I never used the word “terrorist” in anything I’ve ever written. I agree with your last comment: The mind is a terrible thing to lose. Anyone seen yours lately? Probably roaming the gullies of Tri-W looking for Gordon.

Ed

Please send Tom Salmon a check for $500,000! Urgent!! URGENT!!! He needs to expose corruption in Los Osos!!!

The Sentinel just needs a link to PayPay and we will all be SAVED!!!!

Or maybe just an address to send a check?

Someone please get this message over to him STAT!

(Shouldda known it was a pitch for $$$!)
http://lososossentinel.com/index.php?view=article&id=1:ending-the-reign-of-terror&format=pdf

How many manholes CAN Los Osos get with our new, BILLION DOLLAR sewer?!!!?

The deadly pathogen nursery?? Isn’t that what we incubate in our septic tanks right now?

Well I was wrong, This person doesn’t like Gail much. It is sombody who doesn’t like any CSD director ever.
More of a Manifesto, then a web-site

“….Recall, Gail McPherson, was in league with the
Terrorists. In addition, the three who were elected apparently did not have the backbone necessary to carry out their duties.”
Wasn’t very nice to Julie Tacker either.
Though not mentioned by Name, Lisa is the only Director of the CSD not riled against.

The Person of passing interest and a common pathology posted the Statement quoted at the end of this post.

It appears I was wrong again, This person, “Hastings” is very unhappy with Lisa-“LISA, YOU CAN’T SHINE SH**.”

Apparently Lisa’s self descibed; “Here’s another reason to distrust: the dismissal of a 1,000-plus page referenced complaint against Paavo Ogren, public works director.” All that work is not good enough.

Seems “Hastings” has not looked at the incredible amount of polish the 1399 page complaint has been receiving. It shines like a beacon on cape horn’s bluffs. Its facets glitter like a Thousand Carat South African Diamond. It is a very polished “Burd”

On Aaron’s
http://www.rockofthecoast.com/razor/2009/09/01/schicker-alleges-distrust-in-tribune-letter-to-editor/#comments

_____________________________________________________
“2 comments
HASTINGS says:
September 6, 2009 at 7:51 am.LISA, YOU CAN’T SHINE SH**. YOU HAVE GALLANTLY ATTEMPTED TO BRING TRUTH AND JUSTICE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE INCAPABLE OF SPELLING, LET ALONE EMBRACING. YOU ARE ADDRESSING THE COUNTY WING OF THE LOCAL OSAMA BIN LADEN GROUP.

Terrorism. “Act of terrorizing or state of being terrorized. The system of the Reign of Terror. A mode of governing or opposing government by intimidation. Any policy of intimidation.” (Webster’s Dictionary).

Well, it looks like “The Sentinel” has taken that absurd document off of its unfinished website! Never fear, enough of us downloaded it so it won’t be gone altogether!

And it (PDF deleted) happened between about 3 Pm and when I posted my previous response;
Alon Perlman says:
Yesterday at 3:49 pm

Septic tank proponents will be disappointed to see this!

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-malibu-septic6-2009nov06,0,6007608.story

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/11/hundreds-pack-malibu-septic-tank-hearings-.html

A different perspective from Surfrider south I’d say, but that isn’t to be talked about up here, is it?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/11/surfers-win-big-victory-as-septic-tanks-banned-in-malibu.html

I should give a “Thanks Mom” right here for calling to tell me about it!

Lynette, it’s mildly hypocritical that you’re spamming weeks after you’ve criticized Mark Low for doing the same thing.

One comment, got the message. Two comments in a row, not that much of a problem. Three comments? Pushing it. Take a look at the rules.

So if I had put my 3 tiny comments into 1 post that would have been OK with you –or are you scolding me just because it feels good?

I see 3 posts in a row by Dave Duggan and no comment from you about that, so I will assume the latter.

The Sentinel nonsence is still avaiable as html. Don’t jnow why the pdf version was taken down…

Lynette, did you take a look at the rules? Yes or no? I would like an answer.

Gosh Aaron, “No harassment?” Guess you won’t have much to say anymore will you?

Just so you know that I read them, here they are so no one has to click!

The rules are simple:

No spamming
No trolling
No harassment
Administrators reserve the right to suspend or ban accounts and IP addresses that repeatedly violate the rules. For questions, comments or suggestions, please e-mail The Razor.

So please explain which rule I broke that Dave didn’t?

Lynette, please don’t drag me into your spat with the administrator. My second post had a correction. My third post was a request for the administrator to reset his clock. If I broke a rule I would expect to corrected by the appropriate authority.