SLO County BOS Speech Transcripts (3/3/09)

Here are the transcripts of the speeches made on March 3rd.

From Aaron (full version):

This tax-and-spend board could really use a lesson in the art of transparency from President Obama. The County is hiding the real costs.

Recovery.gov has been an unprecedented effort in giving the American people a look at how their taxpayer money is being distributed according to the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Approximately $144 billion dollars is going to state and local fiscal relief. Why don’t Los Osos taxpayers get a line by line accounting of how the last million dollars of Los Osos money was allocated to a lobby firm. People got up at Public Comment and asked, but no answer was given by this Board. That’s not transparency. The problem with some stimulus dollars is that a good chunk of this money is going to bureaucracies who have not been transparent – or willing to invite taxpayers into the decision-making process.

Multiple direct mailings and public meetings do not demonstrate transparency. The nature-themed, glossy stock brochures only explain the steps that need to be taken, backed with unverified statistical data that are meant to reinforce authority and unquestioned power.

These beautifully assembled mailings, including the February 19th Project Status Reports, consist of decisions made by the county, but not why they made those decisions. There is no documented second opinion except for TAC pro/con analysis. TAC has shown substantial preference to gravity collection. This was made apparent in TAC chairman Bill Garfinkel’s recent, less-than-transparent Tribune viewpoint.

Public meetings never attempt to resolve – or at least respond to – myriad, public disputes. Instead comments from the board are limited to, “Sir, your time is up” and “Next speaker please,” but rarely a question is raised or response that’s issued. That infrequency ultimately undermines the County’s guiding principle of hearing what the community has to say. When you fail to address concerns from the public, it shows that you do not understand the project enough to give an answer. The board’s only expertise seems to be saying “Yes!” to the staff reports.

The town hall meetings were more or less a verbal read-through of the mailings. Any additional questions made by the public were screened so the only questions addressed sounded more favorable to the process.

With a lack of transparency, one has to wonder if this board is shilling for special interests like Montgomery Watson-Harza. This dark tunnel of a process is eroding the public’s trust in government. Some find this process satisfactory and transparent because it fits their agenda, regardless of the cost, but in reality, we need to reform the system that allows these special interests to buy County opinion and we should never allow the County to be bought.

From Ed (full version):

Good afternoon, Supervisors, I’m Ed Ochs from Los Osos here with your Monthly Update on the Los Osos Wastewater Project from the viewpoint of thousands of people in Los Osos who will be pushed out of their homes by the County’s pork-lined project.

The results of the Community Survey are in and you have failed the affordability test. When asked WHY you absolutely refuse to build a sewer Los Osos can afford, the only answer we ever get back is “BECAUSE” — because Assemblyman Blakeslee passed a law that SAYS SO … because Regional Water Board Chairman Young IMAGINES SO … because Public Works Director Ogren and his staff REPORT SO … because Supervisor Gibson and his Merry Board NOD SO … and because Tri-W TAC Chairman Willy Garfinkel SWEARS it’s the ONLY way to go — and SO it’s SO. And that’s why.

Debating the predetermined wrong technology that has already been decided on in advance is a waste of time, and those who think they can change the board’s mind are missing the fact that the train has already left the station on the choice of technology, and the name of that train is the “Gravity Express.”

Even before the County considered taking on the project and before the legislation was even passed into law, the County’s Gail Wilcox wrote a June 2006 memo to this Board on options for county involvement. In that memo, Wilcox presented strategies that included comments such as “will need sole-source contracting to proceed quickly” and “conventional gravity collection; essentially as designed” using “conventional technologies.” And, “consider whether existing collection system contractors can resume work, thereby minimizing existing payment disputes.”

Gravity for Los Osos has long been a foregone conclusion. The County has never really considered inexpensive systems like vacuum, which would certainly be an acceptable compromise between gravity and STEP and costs one-third less. That’s affordability. All that was ignored because for some strange, unspoken reason it HAS to be Carollo and Montgomery/Watson/Halliburton – for the top-dollar project, over-inflated gravity. So the $6 or 7$ million dollars already spent by this Board and charged to PZ homeowners has been a complete waste of public funds. Apparently, entertainment isn’t cheap. Long-running dog-and-pony shows to dazzle homeowners into submission cost more than launching a major Broadway musical.

Speaking of show business and trusting the process.

P.T. Barnum of Barnum & Bailey Circus fame hung a huge sign in the circus that read: THIS WAY TO THE EGRESS!!! An arrow pointed to a door.

Expecting to see some fantastic new creature, many an unsuspecting patron who didn’t know “EGRESS” was just another word for “EXIT,” went through the door and found themselves out on the street!!!

The “PROCESS” is just another word for “EXIT” and many an unsuspecting Los Osos homeowner will find themselves out on the street when they can’t afford the County sewer.

Moral of the story: It is later than it’s ever been for Los Osos. Soon there be nowhere for Los Osos residents to go but out.

Commentary:

Given how controversial and time-consuming the Los Osos Wastewater Project update is, there should have been a notice on the agenda that allowed the public to have a presentation for the maximum of two minutes per speaker. I was a little tongue-tied given that I had previously timed my speech at two minutes and 30 seconds. I had already compressed as much detail as I possibly could within the speech, but the late-minute notice took its toll on my delivery.

The meeting was packed mostly with people who were more in step with Garfinkel’s perspective. I drew that conclusion as soon as Ed spoke. There was a collective sign in the room followed with an exasperated, “Oh boy…”

Everyone said what I expected them to say. I noticed that Bruce Gibson and Jim Patterson did address what I mentioned earlier when I talked about how they rarely replied or addressed any public disputes. I still feel that the BOS is not technically informed about the process as far as casting any reasonable doubt on the process based on comments made by the public.

  • Sewertoons

    The requirement is only that the County satisfy most people in an assessment of addressing public disputes. There are some that will never be satisfied even if the County spent every BOS meeting on the Los Osos sewer. Bruce Gibson is incredibly aware of the process and is a big part of moving it along with his twice monthly (usually) office hours in Los Osos.

    He made a comment one time in addressing one of those disputes – he said “we’ve been over this issue many times. It’s just that you don’t like the answers that keeps you asking the same question over and over. You ARE heard, so we must just agree to disagree.” Words to that effect.

    This seems to be happening with some people at these meetings – people keep complaining about the process — that it MUST be wrong because it did not deliver the conclusion that they wanted and expected. They have trouble grasping that another conclusion is possible.

  • Sewertoons

    The requirement is only that the County satisfy most people in an assessment of addressing public disputes. There are some that will never be satisfied even if the County spent every BOS meeting on the Los Osos sewer. Bruce Gibson is incredibly aware of the process and is a big part of moving it along with his twice monthly (usually) office hours in Los Osos.He made a comment one time in addressing one of those disputes – he said “we’ve been over this issue many times. It’s just that you don’t like the answers that keeps you asking the same question over and over. You ARE heard, so we must just agree to disagree.” Words to that effect.This seems to be happening with some people at these meetings – people keep complaining about the process — that it MUST be wrong because it did not deliver the conclusion that they wanted and expected. They have trouble grasping that another conclusion is possible.

  • Aaron

    I’d like to understand where everyone is coming from and if I were in his shoes, having to listen to the same beat to the same drum over and over again even after I addressed it, I would be exasperated.

    At the same time, I think that if people were more specific with their concerns and assessments of the situation, that would legitimize a healthy discourse.

    I, for one, am a bit troubled by the notion that they may not be as transparent as I’d like them to be — and I’d be more than happy to sit down with Gibson and the rest of the board to provide constructive criticism.

    I am willing to say, “Okay, if gravity is what’s best for our town, then go for it,” only if the county can be clearer with their reasoning and can make it so that homeowners will not be burdened by the cost.

  • Aaron

    I’d like to understand where everyone is coming from and if I were in his shoes, having to listen to the same beat to the same drum over and over again even after I addressed it, I would be exasperated.At the same time, I think that if people were more specific with their concerns and assessments of the situation, that would legitimize a healthy discourse. I, for one, am a bit troubled by the notion that they may not be as transparent as I’d like them to be — and I’d be more than happy to sit down with Gibson and the rest of the board to provide constructive criticism. I am willing to say, “Okay, if gravity is what’s best for our town, then go for it,” only if the county can be clearer with their reasoning and can make it so that homeowners will not be burdened by the cost.

  • Sewertoons

    Aaron, maybe you’d like to show up at the Bruce Gibson “office hour” meetings – they are very informal and you get to ask the questions you’d like to ask. The next one is Thursday, March 12, 4:00pm at Sea Pines. I have found out a lot of stuff there more quickly than anywhere else. Paavo is almost always there, and if he isn’t, Mark Hutchinson or John Waddell will take his place.

  • Sewertoons

    Aaron, maybe you’d like to show up at the Bruce Gibson “office hour” meetings – they are very informal and you get to ask the questions you’d like to ask. The next one is Thursday, March 12, 4:00pm at Sea Pines. I have found out a lot of stuff there more quickly than anywhere else. Paavo is almost always there, and if he isn’t, Mark Hutchinson or John Waddell will take his place.

  • Sewertoons

    Aaron, I’m interested in your willingness to “go gravity” if it is best for the town.

    I think AB32 (Global Warming Solutions Act) has had a lot to do with the change in thinking back to gravity. The CO2 and methane emissions from step tanks are now being brought into the environmental equation. Step used to be favored because of the sludge issue, but methane gas turns out to be pretty significant with step. Methane has 21 times the capacity to absorb heat relative to carbon dioxide over a hundred-year time horizon. Check out the Tech Memo on greenhouse gas. CO2 and Nitrous Oxide are there too.

    Cost impacts to the property owner don’t show up in an EIR. Electrical work, driveway, wall, fence, and landscaping replacement all fall on the homeowner – up front. That would be a pretty damaging blow to a lot of people.

    Another cost blow to step was the need to replace all the tanks. Larger tanks are mandatory to accommodate power outages – for some reason I remember the Lisa Board was thinking that the existing tanks could simply be relined. Step tanks need to be leak proof – who could guarantee that with a re-line even if the tank was big enough?

    Also the costs – Orenco – sorry, I just don’t trust salesmen. Of course their product is perfect and the cheapest! I find it odd that the suspicious people around here are so willing to believe salesmen!

  • Sewertoons

    Aaron, I’m interested in your willingness to “go gravity” if it is best for the town. I think AB32 (Global Warming Solutions Act) has had a lot to do with the change in thinking back to gravity. The CO2 and methane emissions from step tanks are now being brought into the environmental equation. Step used to be favored because of the sludge issue, but methane gas turns out to be pretty significant with step. Methane has 21 times the capacity to absorb heat relative to carbon dioxide over a hundred-year time horizon. Check out the Tech Memo on greenhouse gas. CO2 and Nitrous Oxide are there too.Cost impacts to the property owner don’t show up in an EIR. Electrical work, driveway, wall, fence, and landscaping replacement all fall on the homeowner – up front. That would be a pretty damaging blow to a lot of people.Another cost blow to step was the need to replace all the tanks. Larger tanks are mandatory to accommodate power outages – for some reason I remember the Lisa Board was thinking that the existing tanks could simply be relined. Step tanks need to be leak proof – who could guarantee that with a re-line even if the tank was big enough?Also the costs – Orenco – sorry, I just don’t trust salesmen. Of course their product is perfect and the cheapest! I find it odd that the suspicious people around here are so willing to believe salesmen!

  • Aaron

    Bruce Gibson has declined to meet with me in person. He wanted to talk with me on the phone, but I feel it’s more appropriate to talk to him in person. Meeting him on March 12th is starting to seem unlikely.

    I’m also looking at vacuum as a compromise for the STEP/STEG people and the “flush and forget” people. I’ve been doing some research.

  • Aaron

    Bruce Gibson has declined to meet with me in person. He wanted to talk with me on the phone, but I feel it’s more appropriate to talk to him in person. Meeting him on March 12th is starting to seem unlikely.I’m also looking at vacuum as a compromise for the STEP/STEG people and the “flush and forget” people. I’ve been doing some research.

  • Sewertoons

    On the vacuum system:
    Please see what I blogged over on Ann/s site. I don’t believe enough testing has been done in a community this large and the product in America has only been on the market 25 years. Also, it would be a retrofit, not something where the design of it was integral to the design of the entire project.

    Here is some stuff off of the EPA website:

    • Where the terrain is applicable to a gravity system, the vacuum system many times is not even considered.

    • One of the major cost components of a vacuum system is the valve pit. With two or more homes sharing one valve, overall system construction costs can be significantly reduced, resulting in major cost advantage. To do this, however, may require the main line to be located in private property, typically in the back yard. There are two disadvantages to this type of routing. First, it requires permanent easements from one of the property owners, which may be difficult to obtain. Second, experience has shown that multiple house hookups are a source of neighborhood friction unless it is located on public property.

    • Because of the relatively new nature of the vacuum sewers, very little historical cost data exist. It is this present lack of information that causes many engineers and regulatory agencies to shy away from a new technology.

    I don’t want Los Osos to be an experiment to see if this works. It is unclear if SRF funds can be used for this. If we are to be able to afford it at all, we need cheap SRF money.

  • Sewertoons

    On the vacuum system:Please see what I blogged over on Ann/s site. I don’t believe enough testing has been done in a community this large and the product in America has only been on the market 25 years. Also, it would be a retrofit, not something where the design of it was integral to the design of the entire project.Here is some stuff off of the EPA website:• Where the terrain is applicable to a gravity system, the vacuum system many times is not even considered.• One of the major cost components of a vacuum system is the valve pit. With two or more homes sharing one valve, overall system construction costs can be significantly reduced, resulting in major cost advantage. To do this, however, may require the main line to be located in private property, typically in the back yard. There are two disadvantages to this type of routing. First, it requires permanent easements from one of the property owners, which may be difficult to obtain. Second, experience has shown that multiple house hookups are a source of neighborhood friction unless it is located on public property.• Because of the relatively new nature of the vacuum sewers, very little historical cost data exist. It is this present lack of information that causes many engineers and regulatory agencies to shy away from a new technology.I don’t want Los Osos to be an experiment to see if this works. It is unclear if SRF funds can be used for this. If we are to be able to afford it at all, we need cheap SRF money.

  • Aaron

    You’re so sneaky.

    Those bullet points are not found on the EPA web site. I did a Google search using the terms used in the bullet points and came up with and it returned with no results except…

    • Where the terrain is applicable to a gravity system, the vacuum system many times is not even considered.

    That claim is made in the EPA’s Alternative Wastewater Collection Systems Manual, which was originally published in 1994 so I’m sure that at that time, vacuum systems were more experimental. I’m sure that since 1994 (in the time span of 15 years), there are more documented, possibly successful systems set up.

    • One of the major cost components of a vacuum system is the valve pit…

    Because this manual was originally from 1994, I would imagine that valve pits have improved in terms of its problematic routing since then. A few months ago, I came across AIRVAC and I took a look at how they managed their system’s valve pit.

    I believe there are workarounds.

    • Because of the relatively new nature of the vacuum sewers, very little historical cost data exist. It is this present lack of information that causes many engineers and regulatory agencies to shy away from a new technology.

    In the manual, on page 9, for instance, that since 1970, AIRVAC has more than 35 additional systems operating in the United States with more being planned, designed or in construction. I’m sure there is some historical cost data that has accumulated since 1994. I feel that more research needs to be done outside of the EPA manual.

    There is an article written by Steven Gaze from Sustainable Land Development International about the advantages of vacuum systems versus gravity, which appears to be a counterpoint to the 1994 manual.

    I don’t see any indication that vacuum systems are not unsustainable. Then again, I’ll keep an open mind and do more research.

  • Aaron

    You’re so sneaky.Those bullet points are not found on the EPA web site. I did a Google search using the terms used in the bullet points and came up with and it returned with no results except…• Where the terrain is applicable to a gravity system, the vacuum system many times is not even considered.That claim is made in the EPA’s Alternative Wastewater Collection Systems Manual, which was originally published in 1994 so I’m sure that at that time, vacuum systems were more experimental. I’m sure that since 1994 (in the time span of 15 years), there are more documented, possibly successful systems set up.• One of the major cost components of a vacuum system is the valve pit…Because this manual was originally from 1994, I would imagine that valve pits have improved in terms of its problematic routing since then. A few months ago, I came across AIRVAC and I took a look at how they managed their system’s valve pit.I believe there are workarounds.• Because of the relatively new nature of the vacuum sewers, very little historical cost data exist. It is this present lack of information that causes many engineers and regulatory agencies to shy away from a new technology.In the manual, on page 9, for instance, that since 1970, AIRVAC has more than 35 additional systems operating in the United States with more being planned, designed or in construction. I’m sure there is some historical cost data that has accumulated since 1994. I feel that more research needs to be done outside of the EPA manual.There is an article written by Steven Gaze from Sustainable Land Development International about the advantages of vacuum systems versus gravity, which appears to be a counterpoint to the 1994 manual.I don’t see any indication that vacuum systems are not unsustainable. Then again, I’ll keep an open mind and do more research.

  • Sewertoons

    I believe that you are a good researcher. It would be helpful to find a town where this technology was used to retrofit and a town of our size where this technology was used. Especially helpful would be the number of the 35 additional systems – what size town are they and were they retrofits? The example of Carnation Washington is of no help to us – the terrain was flat and only 1 mile square.

    I do believe the sharing of a pit – which is still the reason that the cost is touted as lower — is not feasible. If one person clogs the system – 2, 3, 4 or 5 will get to pay for it’s repair. I personally would hate to live next door to a rental by students. It is unclear if that pit could be in a right-of-way.

    I should have clarified my bullet points as those points that were the sticking point for me – as you saw – the report was huge. But I can see how that seemed sneaky! :-)

  • Sewertoons

    I believe that you are a good researcher. It would be helpful to find a town where this technology was used to retrofit and a town of our size where this technology was used. Especially helpful would be the number of the 35 additional systems – what size town are they and were they retrofits? The example of Carnation Washington is of no help to us – the terrain was flat and only 1 mile square.I do believe the sharing of a pit – which is still the reason that the cost is touted as lower — is not feasible. If one person clogs the system – 2, 3, 4 or 5 will get to pay for it’s repair. I personally would hate to live next door to a rental by students. It is unclear if that pit could be in a right-of-way.I should have clarified my bullet points as those points that were the sticking point for me – as you saw – the report was huge. But I can see how that seemed sneaky! :-)

  • Alon Perlman

    Of course everyone said what they were expected to say, Aaron.
    The house of Oches, eloquence non-withstanding, did same.
    You were expecting perhaps manna from heaven? or billows of smoke and the acrid smell of sulfur? (SOX, Sulfur dioxide, a greenhouse gas under AB 32, present in sewage mostly due to the breakdown of our high protein diets. Conversely usable (according to Mr. Gong, (an associate of Dr. Ruehr) as a method to create sulfuric acid and to acidify leech fields (such as Broderson) in order to restore them). As for Bruce Gibson, I believe he gave people who submitted slips earlier, an opportunity to withdraw, and resubmit to get in later after condensing their comments, so that you did have an opportunity to fit your comments in. Note also, that the discussion on the following agenda Item “vacation rentals” was limited to 2 minutes, and did relate to Los Osos. Are you ready to make decisions as a Supervisor representing both District 2, and the county as a whole?
    As for the groans and moans, I think Maria Kelly drew a larger and louder protest for going fractionally over the time, so I think your methodology for assessing political affiliation by audience vocalizations may be suspect. Perhaps exit polling would be the way to go.

    I, personally, was in transit and missed the actual meat of the county comments and had not been aware that gravity had been overwhelmingly selected by those surveyed.

    Rushed as such, my comments (re Mr. Garfinkel’s representation of others), by pure chance, were not inappropriate.
    Most people who do make their comments “on the fly” will go to their tried and true (?) repeats, when pressed for time. Supervisor Gibson did graciously allow Rachael Rosenthal to speak even though he was already stating that public comment was ended just as she approached. As it happens, she had some of the best and original comments.

    As for Tooncer’s comments above, I doubt that green house emissions considerations moved the survey one way or another.

    The underlying problem is that the complexities of comparing systems (grav. Vs step) are just to big for an ordinary citizen to grasp. Only a very select few members (I’m thinking mostly of one) of the Sustainability group have demonstrated an individual acumen in this area. The rest are displaying their individual versions of group-think. Besides, the AB 32 complexities are stymieing the experts. For example; The sludge from a gravity sewer, (and depending on which ponding system) being less digested then Step /Steg sludge, trucked to Santa Maria (by electric powered trucks, of course) has green house implications not well handled in the DEIR. See my DEIR submission comments.
    For a discussion of the fate of the grass clippings from Tonini. We have not seen the numbers and I’m not claiming an intentional bias by the county, either. The DEIR is flawed. AB32 is new. AB32 also requires accounting for activities that take place outside of the area, and outside of the control of the project implementers. I used to get megabucks (alas all gone now), getting paid to review and write shorter but more complex documents. I was also present at all meetings of the LOCAC DEIR review committee. Very few people have actually read the DEIR, and while I believe Julie Tacker’s comment about the people who supported Mr. Garfinkels viewpoint not having read it, to be true, that is also true for most of the other people talking at the BOS, and even those public and NGO’s submitting comments to the DEIR.

    We didn’t get to vote on the exact number of troops in the surge, did we? We were not surveyed on the distributions of the bailout, were we? People elect leaders that they hope will figure the details out for them. God is in the details, while the devil is well ensconced in the Executive summaries.
    Deep versus shallow pipes, overlaying an aquifer, are as much as a level of complexity as most people can handle. The most environmental Sewer by whomever’s definition, may not be what most homeowners want. At this stage of the process it should be, and is, the decision of the voters (those surveyed).

  • Alon Perlman

    Of course everyone said what they were expected to say, Aaron. The house of Oches, eloquence non-withstanding, did same. You were expecting perhaps manna from heaven? or billows of smoke and the acrid smell of sulfur? (SOX, Sulfur dioxide, a greenhouse gas under AB 32, present in sewage mostly due to the breakdown of our high protein diets. Conversely usable (according to Mr. Gong, (an associate of Dr. Ruehr) as a method to create sulfuric acid and to acidify leech fields (such as Broderson) in order to restore them). As for Bruce Gibson, I believe he gave people who submitted slips earlier, an opportunity to withdraw, and resubmit to get in later after condensing their comments, so that you did have an opportunity to fit your comments in. Note also, that the discussion on the following agenda Item “vacation rentals” was limited to 2 minutes, and did relate to Los Osos. Are you ready to make decisions as a Supervisor representing both District 2, and the county as a whole?As for the groans and moans, I think Maria Kelly drew a larger and louder protest for going fractionally over the time, so I think your methodology for assessing political affiliation by audience vocalizations may be suspect. Perhaps exit polling would be the way to go.I, personally, was in transit and missed the actual meat of the county comments and had not been aware that gravity had been overwhelmingly selected by those surveyed.Rushed as such, my comments (re Mr. Garfinkel’s representation of others), by pure chance, were not inappropriate. Most people who do make their comments “on the fly” will go to their tried and true (?) repeats, when pressed for time. Supervisor Gibson did graciously allow Rachael Rosenthal to speak even though he was already stating that public comment was ended just as she approached. As it happens, she had some of the best and original comments.As for Tooncer’s comments above, I doubt that green house emissions considerations moved the survey one way or another. The underlying problem is that the complexities of comparing systems (grav. Vs step) are just to big for an ordinary citizen to grasp. Only a very select few members (I’m thinking mostly of one) of the Sustainability group have demonstrated an individual acumen in this area. The rest are displaying their individual versions of group-think. Besides, the AB 32 complexities are stymieing the experts. For example; The sludge from a gravity sewer, (and depending on which ponding system) being less digested then Step /Steg sludge, trucked to Santa Maria (by electric powered trucks, of course) has green house implications not well handled in the DEIR. See my DEIR submission comments. For a discussion of the fate of the grass clippings from Tonini. We have not seen the numbers and I’m not claiming an intentional bias by the county, either. The DEIR is flawed. AB32 is new. AB32 also requires accounting for activities that take place outside of the area, and outside of the control of the project implementers. I used to get megabucks (alas all gone now), getting paid to review and write shorter but more complex documents. I was also present at all meetings of the LOCAC DEIR review committee. Very few people have actually read the DEIR, and while I believe Julie Tacker’s comment about the people who supported Mr. Garfinkels viewpoint not having read it, to be true, that is also true for most of the other people talking at the BOS, and even those public and NGO’s submitting comments to the DEIR.We didn’t get to vote on the exact number of troops in the surge, did we? We were not surveyed on the distributions of the bailout, were we? People elect leaders that they hope will figure the details out for them. God is in the details, while the devil is well ensconced in the Executive summaries.Deep versus shallow pipes, overlaying an aquifer, are as much as a level of complexity as most people can handle. The most environmental Sewer by whomever’s definition, may not be what most homeowners want. At this stage of the process it should be, and is, the decision of the voters (those surveyed).

  • Anonymous

    What was the decision of those surveyed? The BOS report was for those who understood the survey, knew it was coming out, and had a predetermined choice that was included on the survey. Those that preferred other alternatives had to write in their responses. Will their voices be heard?

  • Anonymous

    What was the decision of those surveyed? The BOS report was for those who understood the survey, knew it was coming out, and had a predetermined choice that was included on the survey. Those that preferred other alternatives had to write in their responses. Will their voices be heard?